Thursday, September 18, 2008

Beverly Free Library and Just the Facts Friends
















30 comments:

ashton ave senior said...

And so, why hasn't the great mind and surpiror intellect, KH allias anonymous, respond to these official records. I know I should not ever try and understand these official facts, after all because I am just not smart enough according to KH allias anonymous to see these are not facts.

Anonymous Beverly Resident said...

Looks like a cover-up to me, isn't the Corp. name changed on the State of NJ Corp report filed in Aug., from the Deed and mortgage? So who is this new company and do they own the Pharmacy Building? If so is there a new deed showing the transfer and, I hope the cancelation of the mortgage, because as a member of this Library, I don't want to be responsible for the mortgage. When did the Library ask us to take out a mortgage? How can they do this? I also agree, the Pharmacy looks; early boxer shorts style and needs to be changed after the November Circus.

Anonymous said...

Ashton ave genius alais EP reporter
Try to explain what you're trying to proove. And what does "unofficial document"
mean to you?

good thing someone has surpiror intellect

Anonymous said...

Well that sheds a whole new light on things. Where does this local banker come into play that KH was referring to? How did Beverly Free Library Inc. make a lease when they are not registered to business in the state of N.J.? How many bank accounts are use when paying bills such as insurance, electric and water? Is there two separate accounts or is all the money for the rental property, contributions and the taxpayers (Beverly, Edgewater, Burl Co.)all in one account? Where did the $83,000.00 come from for the purchase of the pharmacy building? If they are not a 501(c)3 does that mean that contributions are not a write off on your taxes? If they are not a public Library why are they listed on the Burl. Co. Library website? Can KH or someone from the Library Board step up to the plate with a few answers please.
Beverly Taxpayer

Anonymous said...

Hey Genius "unofficial document" is a watermark which means they were taken from the County Clerks website online not the original Document. It is an exact copy of the Document.

Sammy D said...

to anonymous sept. 18th at 1:25pm:

If your so intelligent how come you can't spell superior correctly?

I just love reading all the moronic comments on here. It sounds like kenton haaf and his friends are still reading and commenting on this blog.

Blog away people it gives me something hillarious to read. I love that the EP Reporter has really touched some nerves.

ashton ave senior said...

Anonymous 9/18 1:57 PM, don't you know that it is slanderous to ask those questions, besides you must be a very stupid person to think that the Library Board Members should lower themselves to answer such obtuse questions. You should really try and emulate KH (alias anonymous)'s writing style when posting your comments. It would show that you are an intelligent well educated member of the elite ruling class in Beverly. Sorry to break to you.

Anonymous said...

Why are you people trying to rile up Kenton. He is such a nice young man who is just trying to protect his parents. I always thought Mr Haaf was a Republican so I cant see him allowing the Library to make such foolish mistakes. I also love the Beverly Bee that his mom publishes.

Paul from AZ said...

I am an old former resident of Beverly. It has been more than 40 years since my family and I moved out to AZ, and I (we) never have been back. I was doing a google search on Beverly/Edgewater Park when I came across this site. I can't believe my old town has degraded as much as this site implies. I checked on several web sites, that give figures and graphs of the property values for Beverly/Edgewater Park and it appears that the area is in a serious decline. What a shame, I had a gerat childhood growing up there. What a shame. Does any one remember Mr. Bill who coached the Monarchs Little League team. He was a great guy. I also remember remember Mr Thompson St. Joes and Mr Ketels Bank. I would love to read more about them.

Anonymous said...

Is KH back on his medication? Based on his rants of the past several weeks, it seems that he must have been off of the meds. Wow

KH said...

Anonymous 1:57

I would be happy step up to the plate and give you answers to all of your questions. You just look up my number in the phone book and give me a call. Tell me your name, where you live and I'll come over there. Or maybe you can come over here! I'll explain all to you all I know. What I don't know I'll find out and make sure I get back to you so you get your answers OK? That sure sounds simple enough!

Hey genius anonymous or should I say mr sarcasm. Thanks for shedding light on the water mark question but it doesn't answer what those documents are supposed to prove does it? That's because they don't really "prove" anything. You could have gone to the county and got those yourself. You would still have the same questions as Mr anonymous. So why don't you give me a call too OK? We can clear this whole matter up very easily.

How come everyone thinks that I am writting all this stuff unless you are the administrator of the blog yourself and can see IP addresses? I do believe that proves mr reporter is a lot of these anonymous+es himself. HMMMMMM Or have you worked for the FBI and can tell writting styles? WOW maybe I'm the one that better "watch out" HA!

Finally Sammy d. I'm glad you find this funny because most of it is! But if you look carefully it was spelled the same as Ashton Ave senior spelled it. Sorry you missed that, because that was funny too! And to answer you other question......again. I told you before as an American I also have the right to free speech and the right to change my mind. So I've decided to keep on adding trash now and then just to piss people off. Just like the reporter! Why should he have all the fun? Oh by the way Mr Ashton Ave Senior alias EP reporter can call me also :). That would be the most fun of of all!

Kenton Haaf said...

Paul form AZ,

I have to apologies for what you have read on this site. Most people here aren't like this. Just the small town wish they were "big time" politicians. Unfortunately both parties right now have kind of trashed this place trying to play "big shots". With little regard to what really matters. Not all of coarse, but most anyway. It wouldn't be fair to include eveyone. I too have been a resident of Beverly and Edgewater park for 46 years and care about where I came from and where these towns is going.

So do yourself a favor, ignore this site. It's mostly trash, and link to the Beverly Bee web site for a subscription. There are many interesting articles on when Beverly and Edgewater Park was the place to live! That was before irresponsible no name people started to abuse a media that could have done good if administrated by the right people.

I remember Mr. Bill Gains myself.(at least I think that's who you mean) Not the other guys. But I do but have fond memories of little league here in Beverly playing for Rugeries Pharmacy and Ben's Esso. Times where better then, but I still hold on to hope they can be good again!

Anonymous said...

I guess not

bb said...

KH Kenton Anonymous; are you really 46 years old? I thought from your comments that you were a teenager or in your early twenties.

Anonymous said...

Can the Edgewater Park Reporter tell who is sending in comments? Why doesn't he publish the names?

Anonymous said...

Poor EP Reporter has nothing else that generates interest but the library thing. Why don't you ask the library board directly what happened in the deal. There is a very legal, logical answer. But no, you would rather stir up inuendo & bullsh*t. You don't want to know the truth, just keep stirring up rumors & lies.
This blog used to be good, presenting facts & good questions. Now it's a rumor mill for trashing people.
Maybe the nasty Beverly Repubs (PP,BG,DA)took over the site. This is their usual standard procedure, present half truths & attack their critics. They won Beverly fairly with fresh ideas, their heads got too big, they started bullying people, chased Crespo out, later forced Phil E. to quit and showed their nastiness. They are doing the same thing to Mr. Haaf for standing up to them. Just because they want it to be their way or no way. Anyone who has attended council meeting in Beverly could see it. Germer used to be all over young Phil for not doing what he was told.
This site has no credibilty anymore. Talk about real problems instead of $2000 of a million dollar township budget. Get over the fact that the democrats got the building first instead of you, you crybabies!

here's a new question.
why doesn't EP police go after all those damn people with their cars registered to Penn, Maryland & Massachusetts & live in EP apartments? Check out that most of the Burl Coat Factory workers are illegal aliens & the owners know it. Now go out & take some pictures of them.
No I'm sure you'll deny everything & get your buddies to criticize & lie some more.

the edgewater park reporter said...

To answer the question, if I can ID the actual person who comments on this blog, the answer is no. If I could, I still would not want to know because it might be a family member.
I post every comment even if it is critical of me and this site. I do not care if you like it because you do not need to read it. You can start your own site.
The Library Story is hot because of the sloppiness in the way it was handled. I was given copies of legal documents that showed that the Library Board was conducting business in violation of state law. The Beverly Free Library, Inc. was not in good standing because they did not file their annual reports with the state. I don't claim that the Board did this for personal benefit, but this doesn't excuse them (the Board). Just you try this as a business and see what happens. Now to add to this oversight we find that Beverly Free Library, Inc. a corporation in bad standing, purchased the Pharmacy in 1998. The Beverly Free Library (not a legal Corp registered in NJ) signed for a mortgage in 2005 from the City of Beverly to rehab the Pharmacy Property. The used a name that is not the legal name on the deed for this property. Try and do this with your mortgage. Then instead of just admitting that they made sloppy mistakes and fixing them, some members of the Library Board treated members of the public rudely when the public asked questions. You add the fact that the Library Board then rented the First Fl to a political party not for cash and didn't get proof of insurance before letting this group to use the building, you just try and do this in business and see what happens if a claim is filed, is the reason I felt this story was/is important. Our tax dollars are involved in the day to day operation of the Library and if mismanagement is going on it needs to be exposed.
To bad if certain people don't like it, but their response to this subject is an example of why people will not speak up about actions they know to be wrong. I can take the criticizing and will post it. It is good for me/us. To bad some members of the Library Bd and their families do not feel the same.

KH said...

Another intelligent mind heard from!! Just when I was thinking that Karen, JB, and I were the only about the only ones! Come on people there is more of us than them. Let's keep it coming! Maybe we can turn this site around!

Anonymous (I'm sure you have a good reason) calls it like they see it! Sure he could ask the library board himself, but he'd have to do that in person. So could anyone else (my phone is still quiet, imagine that?) But nooooooo they would rather act like Oscar in the trash can. Oblivious to reality. Because misery loves company.

Yup the more I find out about our Beverly Republicans the more I think you're right. Chances are they have a hand in this site somehow. With the my way or the highway attitude nothing much is getting done. But don't worry. Maybe they were successful in pushing other people around but it won't be me or my father. No question about that.

I do like your questions about the license plates from out of state. But we both know that's a real issue and it sure won't be addressed here. To bad. Like you said this site used to be good.

Kenton Haaf said...

Yet another thing there mr reporter dude. We all can see that the library lost it's corporation status in 1987. But where is the proof that it wasn't back in good standing in 1998 or in 2005? I wonder why? I would assume because it doesn't suit your accusations.You have also accused the board of not having proof of insurance for the present occupants. Again sir, where is your proof? You don't have any do you? You would have to face the accused to get it. So that isn't going to happen is it?

I will again remind you that in our courts burden of proof is on the accuser. Also that the accused has the right to face the accuser. You refuse both. You sir are a fraud! The only actions you speak of that are wrong are your own. Unless YOU can prove otherwise! The accused has nothing to prove to this blog or the people that read it.

I myself have accused you of being a faceless coward. With that I have given you proof. Because you have still yet to answer any direct question asked that pertain to your accusations. For one small example the "Beverly City low income housing oversite committee" which does not exist. I in fact can be can be gotten in touch with. Here on this blog, my own e-mail address that you possess since I have written your yahoo address, and my address is in the book. Face me if you have the guts reporter! But you won't because you are afraid to lose your comfy spot hiding alone behind this blog. I can take the criticism too because I know I am right, and YOU sir are wrong!

sammy d said...

Oh Reporter, how could you think that your facts backed up with documents could be a match for the intellectually superior KH with his argument-what proof do you have that it wasn't in good standing back in 1998 or 2005. How could you be so stupid to think just because the State Document shows that the Beverly Free Library, Inc. DOR Suspension Start Date is 01/07/1987 and the same document's DOR Suspension End date is blank, this means that the Beverly Free Library, Inc. was in bad standing in 1998 or 2005. Reporter, you certainly have shone you are not up to the intellectual level of KH. My how sad

kh said...

Thanks for the compliment sammy d! It's about time you figured it out. My goodness yes! That's without doubt the only proof you need all right. Well, except for the proof of insurance and why the reporter makes up committees that don't exsist, and other direct questions I am still waiting for answers to. I guess that's unless you're a committee member for low income. Low something that's for sure. Maybe self esteem? I don't know. I wouldn't want to bring up intelect as I couldn't live with myself if I offend you. But if you buy that as proof beyond a shadow of doubt I also have an inside tip for you. I can sell you, and only you the Burlington Bristol Bridge for a fraction of what it's worth! I have the deed, and title right here. Might be dated 1938 but it's good. I promise you! Come on over and check it out. Bring cash though. I am afraid I couldn't take your check. Not that I don't trust you or anything. I hope that you understand. What's that? Your answer is baaaah baaah? That's right you're one of the reporters flock. Oh darn! Guess I can't fool you!

Good Night all and God bless!

Anonymous said...

"It would show that you are an intelligent well educated member of the elite ruling class in Beverly. Sorry to break to you."

WHAT CAN YOU SAY AFTER READING THAT?

Anonymous said...

With all of this controversy over the Library, has anyone asked the Beverly or Edgewater Park solicitor about this? It seems to me that since there is an issue of legality raised that perhaps someone with expertise could answer the questions.

Anonymous said...

Here's another question. If the Library took the Mt. Laurel money and it states that the poperty must be rented to low income tenants for a period of ten years, and they signed this in 2005, then how are they legally able to barter rent for any portion of the property from any entity that is not a low income tenant? It seems they have breached their loan agreement and could possibly have to repay the funds. Burlington County Prosecuter's Economics Crime Unit might be interested in this and I'm sure could give an expert legal opinion.

Real Sammy D said...

To EP Reporter:

I am the REAL Sammy D and did not write the comment which was posted last evening (Sept. 18) at 11:02pm. I would never agree with that idiot "KH" and I think that your site is very informative and after checking actual facts have found that what you post to be true.

I apologize for the ignorant stupid person who is impersonating me now. No wonder why people post as "anonymous".

Anonymous said...

In case you have not read the other blog posting by We The People it says, "Beverly Housing Authority" consisting of board members appointed by the city government as well as HUD. ( I may be incorrect on the HUD appointee but there is one member appointed by a state or federal entity.) In either case, there indeed exists a Beverly Housing Authority which oversees "Delacove Homes". Of more interesting note are those who serve on the board. Gary Centinaro, Director. John Schoen. John Haaf. Randy Miller."
Now are telling me that KH didn't know his dad sat on that board? Give me a break. This guy has an agenda. Who would beleive a word he said. Not to mention his child like references like "But nooooooo they would rather act like Oscar in the trash can." How old is this guy? This gentleman (I use the term lightly) is dancing around the proof. I personally check out every one of these documents and they are accurate with the documents on both the N.J. State and the County Clerks website. Not to mention the fact that Beverly Free Library Inc has been revoked was mention in the public session of the library meeting and a board member said “I hope it’s the paragraph club." When they were told it was not they said "I DID NOT KNOW THIS" I check out the deed for the Library (book 614 Page 408) Its owned by Beverly Free library and Paragraph Assoc. Of Beverly N.J.. Why would a board member hope that the Library non profit was revoked when they are the ones who own the Library building? The more I look into this the bigger the mess gets. The library Board needs to start doing some explaining......

kh said...

WOW!!!!!! anonymous checked out every document personally!!!(what secretary was out to lunch?) OH MY GOODNESS that's great!But who should anyone explain anything to? You don't have a name. Now what mr nobody? What do we do next? With such anticipation we wait! Guess you'll let us know when your done with your cud like all ruminants. (figured I'd teach you something so you can't say you never leaned anything on this site) Now after you look it up. I hope you children can retain this information. I know it's a hard word. But I have confidence in you as long as you try your best. TTFN!

Anonymous said...

Hey Paul from Arizona
Contact Beverly City Hall to get the little newspaper Beverly Bee. there are always old pictures in it of Beverly & sorrounding towns. You could also send a letter to the paper, talking about Mr. Bill & the Beverly Little League. You will get responses on your questions.

Beverly now has been invaded by outsiders who think they know everything. They don't know the old Beverly, where people knew their neighbors and political parties were friends with each other and worked together. Now people only care about themselves and advancing their own political careers.
Beverly had it's flaws then but people weren't so mean and we still got along. Not everyone who lives in Beverly now are like some of the cold and unforgiving people on this site.

tc said...

Re: Anonymous 9/20 1:37 AM

AMEN!!

Anonymous said...

Kenton Haaf must be congratulated for sticking up for his parents' questionable if not outright illegal actions in running the Library. Of course the same congratulations need to be offered to O. J. Simpson's sister for sticking up for him after a jury of 12 citizens found him guilty on all counts.

It's such a shame that reasonably intelligent parents wind up with idiot offspring like Kenton.